[The Supreme State of Unconsciousness: Classical Enlightenment from the Point of View of Valence Structuralism | Qualia Computing]([The Supreme State of Unconsciousness: Classical Enlightenment from the Point of View of Valence Structuralism | Qualia Computing]([The Supreme State of Unconsciousness: Classical Enlightenment from the Point of View of Valence Structuralism | Qualia Computing]([The Supreme State of Unconsciousness: Classical Enlightenment from the Point of View of Valence Structuralism | Qualia Computing]([The Supreme State of Unconsciousness: Classical Enlightenment from the Point of View of Valence Structuralism | Qualia Computing]([The Supreme State of Unconsciousness: Classical Enlightenment from the Point of View of Valence Structuralism | Qualia Computing]([The Supreme State of Unconsciousness: Classical Enlightenment from the Point of View of Valence Structuralism | Qualia Computing]([The Supreme State of Unconsciousness: Classical Enlightenment from the Point of View of Valence Structuralism | Qualia Computing]([The Supreme State of Unconsciousness: Classical Enlightenment from the Point of View of Valence Structuralism | Qualia Computing]([The Supreme State of Unconsciousness: Classical Enlightenment from the Point of View of Valence Structuralism | Qualia Computing]([The Supreme State of Unconsciousness: Classical Enlightenment from the Point of View of Valence Structuralism | Qualia Computing]([The Supreme State of Unconsciousness: Classical Enlightenment from the Point of View of Valence Structuralism | Qualia Computing]([The Supreme State of Unconsciousness: Classical Enlightenment from the Point of View of Valence Structuralism | Qualia Computing]([The Supreme State of Unconsciousness: Classical Enlightenment from the Point of View of Valence Structuralism | Qualia Computing]([The Supreme State of Unconsciousness: Classical Enlightenment from the Point of View of Valence Structuralism | Qualia Computing]([The Supreme State of Unconsciousness: Classical Enlightenment from the Point of View of Valence Structuralism | Qualia Computing]([The Supreme State of Unconsciousness: Classical Enlightenment from the Point of View of Valence Structuralism | Qualia Computing](https://qualiacomputing.com/2021/11/23/the-supreme-state-unconsciousness-classical-enlightenment-from-the-point-of-view-of-valence-structuralism/))))))))))))))))) ====For collective wellbeing engineers==== Culture of compassion, strenghtening mental health knowledge ====For Metacrisis/Polycrisis camp==== ====For laymen==== Spacetime is useful construct. Thoughts are like waves in an ocean. Letting go of thoughts and muscle tensions induces relief. Love and kindness interconnects you with everything and makes you want to help everyone with compassion. Too much competition leads to climate crisis and other problems like loneliness pandemic. Let's give future generations good life by solving them. ====For transcendentalists==== Everything is just a useful model, base reality is beyond concrete language and models, dissolve into the unknown! ===Unstructured=== making the least amount of pragmatic assumptions possible with greatest integrative and explanatory power (occams razor) [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v===h4KeYkwcJoc) from everything we collapse the full potentiality probability wave function into a concrete symmetry breaking subset of "coherent" language [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v===-qZYxSbJ38E,) that into subset of epistemological seeking, that into subset of ontologically agnostic/fluid pragmatic empiricism guided by free energy principle protocol [- YouTube]([- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v===jZ1fsXQz7M4)) that into reductive or nonreductive fundemantal physics (quantum field theory or holographic principle (AdS/CFT correspondence with spacetime as quantum error correcting code [Is Spacetime a Quantum Error-Correcting Code? | John Preskill - YouTube]([Is Spacetime a Quantum Error-Correcting Code? | John Preskill - YouTube](https://youtu.be/SW2rlQVfnK0)) [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v===klpDHn8viX8)) or/and loop quantum gravity [Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop_quantum_gravity)))))))))))))) with emergent classical spacetime or/and amplituhedron with emergent particle interactions without spacetime locality) as physicalist/idealist/monist implementation for markovian conscious agents or quantum free energy principle outside spacetime (nonlinearly interacting emergence of timelikeness updating of dynamics of agents that communicate nonlinearly in subjectively relativistic physical and phenomenal sense of time) as sensemaking (idealist or physicalist, illusionist, panpsychist or existence of system's subjective experience constrained by mathematical constraint) (not only) biological systems (which also explains the emergence of the beggining of this text in our mental models and emergence of all mental models in general (thoughts, memories, feelings, psychological valence, attention, awareness, spacetime, isness fundamental bayesian prior) with most of the time approximately fuzzy or strict topological quantum hiearchical bayesian causal graph neural network structure governed by brain physics (all the existing quantum or classical theories of consciousness in panpsychist, illusionist or something in middle, or monist? interpretations) as useful evolutionary data compressing uncertainity reducers) with space and time as optical error correcting codes in topological neurophenomenological dynamics (using neural field theory, quantum field theory) (also describing theories of wellbeing or enlightenment (absolutely unrestricted unknotted unified symmetrical state) in physicalist or more high level neuroscientific networkian or computational etc. classical mathematics and how it may be related to interaction with the genes and environment in whole physical system) (or idealist conscious markovian agents or monist quantum free energy principle from which physics derive as useful mental interface) (our generative models generate physics but physics generates generative models) and universal scalefree free energy principle and other concrete or more universal (physics) (maths) models in general that have nice explanatory power in various contexts, that predict systems better than noise in physics or act as guiding future creating protocols such as in sociology, it is included in some level of this interconnected graph of models for fundamental physics, overall physics, chemistry, biology, neuroscience, phenomenology, sociology (models of collective sensemaking, cooperation, wellbeing, risks, polycrisis, metacrisis, positive statistics, resilience, psychological and technological progress, corresponding current statistics and preventing strategies, solutions to causes and symtoms and adaptations, possible ways of turning the titanic around into positive third attractors, models of present, past and future), environmental science, astrophysics, cosmology, philosophy, ethics, politics, spirituality and all their interdisciplionary intersections and so on, with nodes meaning causality, emergence, special case, or other similarityness, enabling to notice mathematical correspondences between them by noticing various deflating symmetries and their advantages and disadvantages in various contexts and for mathematical models corresponding compatible approximating philosophical and ontologies, stories and visualizations to ground those models into minds that are evolutionary optimized to thinks in stories (idealism, physicalism, monism, various interpretations of quantum mechanics (relational, many worlds), everyday analogies) but there are also models without maths that can guide in ethics and sociology, that all can be explained as emergent evolutionary phenomena in our minds in physicalist frame, and juggling between and transcending closed, empty and open individualism [Entropy | Free Full-Text | Biology, Buddhism, and AI: Care as the Driver of Intelligence]([Entropy | Free Full-Text | Biology, Buddhism, and AI: Care as the Driver of Intelligence](https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/24/5/710)) [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v===YnObwxJZpZc) todo: incremental build up of framework and its contents, methodology (incremental learning of concrete data and big picture frameworks), resources, diagrams, graphs, thought maps, networks, ==The fundamental nature of phenomenal and physical spacetime== "You are trying to explain the experience of a screen by appealing to a screen." [- YouTube]([- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v==-fTtcOZdsy4)) How do you conceptualize states of consciousness with the absence of spacetime? I Andres' description in this video, but I feel like there should be more to explain, can we ground it in more models? I want to see a fundamental physics model that explains spacetime in experience. (here's memory in quantum field theory https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378437122003016 ) Or how about a fundamental physics model that doesnt assume spacetime like quantum field theory does? Since my last 5-MeO-DMT trip with experience of "extremely intensely" "mindblowing" (compared to other trips or meditation) experience of no spacetime (or any structure in general), that was probably my best experience in my life, it made me extremely curious to understand the nature behind it! As approximately as possible! It seems like total absolute mystery! Perfect symmetry implies a sort of absence of phenomenal space and time. No measurements of distances means no space, and no causal structures means no time. [Qualia Research Institute](https://qri.org/)blog/pseudo-time-arrow [Qualia Research Institute](https://qri.org/)blog/hyperbolic-geometry-dmt Phenomenal and physical spacetime seems to be explained as error correcting code or glue from entaglement (by some models) according to lots of scientists. [- YouTube]([- YouTube]([- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v==SW2rlQVfnK0))) https://noetic.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Conscious-Agents-Full-Proposal.pdf More entaglement of two quantum states implies being more closer with less contracted energy entangling more by 2nd law of themodynamics aka unifying all reality over "time". [- YouTube]([- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v==XBQorAnnICs)) I like QRI's topological segmentation [- YouTube]([- YouTube]([- YouTube]([- YouTube]([- YouTube]([- YouTube]([- YouTube]([- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v==g0YID6XV-PQ)))))))) in the electromagnetic field but it seems to assume fundamental spacetime in quantum field theory. Many physicists try to explain spacetime as emergent from deeper principle, such as holographic principle [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v==klpDHn8viX8)&pp==ygUVaG9sb2dyYXBoaWMgcHJpbmNpcGxl , Hoffman's amplituhedron [- YouTube]([- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v==ywG3pCd7tLM)) , loop quantum gravity [- YouTube]([- YouTube]([- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v==eJymwS08h78))) [Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia]([Loop quantum gravity - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop_quantum_gravity)))))))))))))) or free energy principle for quantum systems that is spacetime background free formalism, where quantum reference frames are conscious entities, [- YouTube]([- YouTube]([- YouTube]([- YouTube]([- YouTube]([- YouTube]([- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v==-qZYxSbJ38E))))))) are they implemented by topological pockets doing neural fieldlike annealing [- YouTube]([- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v==pM9k1I3VPOg)) [- YouTube]([- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v==JjB3xGkS_qU)) with topological quantum neural networks governed by topological quantum field theories? (deflated by spacetimefree models?) https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/prop.202200104 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/10113698? But even spacetime in quantum theory more broadly itself is very nonlinear. [- YouTube]([- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v==aeh9bSuSNrA)) Nothing ever happens in the universe in the global context? [[1210.8447] Nothing happens in the Universe of the Everett Interpretation]([[1210.8447] Nothing happens in the Universe of the Everett Interpretation]([[1210.8447] Nothing happens in the Universe of the Everett Interpretation]([[1210.8447] Nothing happens in the Universe of the Everett Interpretation]([[1210.8447] Nothing happens in the Universe of the Everett Interpretation]([[1210.8447] Nothing happens in the Universe of the Everett Interpretation]([[1210.8447] Nothing happens in the Universe of the Everett Interpretation]([[1210.8447] Nothing happens in the Universe of the Everett Interpretation](https://arxiv.org/abs/1210.8447)))))))) How linked is phenomenal and physical spacetime? Can phenomenal spacetime emerge from physical emergent spacetime? Or other way around? Or is it one thing? In order to account for beyond spacetime experience, should use models beyond spacetime? If physical spacetime is emergent from entaglement, is phenomenal spacetime emergent from brain's binding that kind of acts like entaglement since it supports phenomenal spacetime? Could we use holographic principle maths there? Can phenomenal spacetimeless states of consciousness be like cessations classically modelled as disintegration of brain's message passing activity? https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0079612322001984 Inhibition of memory saving mental faculties? Dissolving, smoothening lots of thermodynamic global symmetry breakings creating concrete sectors of qualia? How to model it in fundamental physics that goes beyond classical mechanistic functional notions of the brain with (relativistic) spacetime? Is phenomenal spacetimeless totally random points of view from different parts of the topological pocket leading to chaotic interfering cancelling out of different paths, getting total dissonant or consonant symmetrical global harmony (in my case it was always the consonant case)? Did the dynamics inside the topological pocket's boundary normally corresponding to fieldlike behavior of superposition of all possible paths just turned into absolute chaotic breakdown with alien inner or outer shape and edge cases where no stable emergent classical patterns had any chance to survive through darwinian selection of pointer states ([Quantum - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum)_Darwinism ) and spacetime as error correcting code glue had no chances of functioning correctly, no more sense of screen and spacetime from every possible path within the pocket? How about the binding problem, are spacetime fields of consciousness emergent from something deeper to account for states of consciousness without spacetime? Can topological boundaries really be frameinvariant in nonlocal frameworks or models that don't work with spacetime or have it fundamentally as possibly relativistic/relational emergent phenomena? Is the pocket emergent (possibly as a result also relativistic? could relativity here imply a kind of frameinvariantness though?) from deeper mathematical fundamental physics structures? (amplituhdron, loop quantum gravity, holographic principle, quantum darwinism, quantum FEP etc. I mentioned earlier?) Can we mathematically reduce it futher, making fundamental (almost) nothing concrete that aligns with our intution? Or maybe dissolution of topological pocket's boundary disintegrating it a one subjective experience in spacetime unit? Here the sense of evolution of contents in a topological boundary seems to break down. But only "I" "have" this "memory" in our relativistic shared physical and dynamical phenomenal spacetime, or is it the case that space and time and sense of individuality are fundamentally all ontologically an "illusion"? Is reality totally beyond structure? But we still want to predict it? What's the minimal predictive transcendental mathematical structure of reality? Can this be grasped in QRI's physicalist ontology, such that those states could be neuroengineered with predictive explanatory empirical scientific models, and explaining neurophenomenology of 5-MeO-DMT more? Neuroengineering someone's neurophenomenological physical state beyond phenomenal spacetime using someone else's phenomenal spacetime! Many questions! Are they answerable? Are they just neverending unanswerable Zen koans? Nature of reality! Fun! ==Exploring the nature of physical reality's deepest structure== My message to Chris Fields [Chris Fields Research](https://chrisfieldsresearch.com/) I still have questions about free energy principle for generic quantum systems. I am attempting to merge it with quantum darwinism applied to subatomic particles. This is my current understanding and I might have made mistakes in learning, feel free to correct me: We start with axioms: time symmetry and nonchanging physics. We start with general definition of entaglement: nonseparability of one system into two That's enough for a theory to be considered quantum? And noncommutativity of measurments? We're made of complex numbered wave functions for subatomic particles interacting and entangling with eachother, do we use that as general arbitrary quantum system? [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v==p7bzE1E5PMY) Does any classical information that we can measure, such as momentum or velocity, corresponding to an exact mathematical operator? How about a classical bayesian belief? Is it qubits read by quantum reference frames all the way down? Or can we instead of the quantum wavefunction use any general (quantum) (probabilistic) differential equation now on different scales? General definition of classical information: measurable properies of pointer states that are quantum eqivalent of classical states that went through decoherence's natural selection (measurable location, spin, momentum, bit, some classical comprehensible property that isnt just a wavefunction in general?). Spacetime can be seen as glued by entaglement doing quantum error correction by holographic principle - more entaglement -> less distance, less local energy, globally further in time. Human perception is entaglement through linguistic contextual relativism. Mental processes are relational aka entangle to make a unitary experience. Binding is information theoretically entaglement by nonseparability of mental processes, of qualia bound to the phenomenal field and relational, you get holistic field computing. They might be nonentagled particles, but the whole experience is nonseparable fundamentally, but we can separate part of our experience and that also kind of goes through decoherence into classical information (decoherence is lost of relationality, loss of globality). Entaglement is kind of like emergence here.